Every once in a while something comes along that takes what you understand about a medium, challenges it, and makes you look at it from a completely different angle. For me and comics, this happened when I first read Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics a year or two ago, and happened again the night of February sixth, when I attended the Graphic Novels and Academic Acceptance panel. It was the panel I was most looking forward to (preempted earlier in the day by another panel), and did not disappoint.
The panel consisted of Greg Urquhart (Alexander Street Press), Bill Savage (Northwestern University Professor), Jonathan Hickman (The Nightly News, Secret Warriors), Gene Kannenberg, Jr. (ComicsResearch.org), Kent Worcester (Marymount Manhattan College Professor) Dean Haspiel (Billy Dogma, Street Code), Peter Kuper (World War 3 Illustrated, Spy vs. Spy, Stop Forgetting to Remember), and moderator Karen Green (comiXology).
The panel started off with Karen asking the panelists to introduce themselves, and each of them had an interesting story regarding their comics experience. The first spark of conversation came when Kannenberg, not a creator but an author and general researcher of comics culture, talked about creating a mini-comic for his wife's zine. There's so much you need to think about when drawing; his simple example: "how do you draw someone sitting in a chair?" I remember thinking what an interesting observation this was. It isn't so much that I didn't know "drawing is hard"; yeah I get that, but why is it hard, and why especially in comics? Graphic storytelling is often overlooked by academics because of its presumed simplicity, but as Kannenberg says, when you're used to objectively looking at something and tearing it apart it becomes difficult to now do the opposite-- build from nothing. While I don't think this is specific to comics, I will say that the world of comics is so much more complex than any other art form because it combines so many storytelling elements in one.
Kannenberg's point of the chair brought Dean Haspiel into the conversation: "My godmother is Shelley Winters," he began. "One day I asked her, 'what is acting? What do you do when you act? She said, 'ok, go over to that chair, pick it up, and bring it over to me.' So I was like, alright, and I walked over and I brought it to her."
"Then she said, 'Now go act it.' Suddenly I didn't know if I should be sad, angry... there's so many choices." He compared this to the art of storytelling in graphic literature. When drawing Kannenberg's man in a chair there are so many ways to show it, so many angles and attitudes and positions, and each of them tells its own story in its own way.
Peter Kuper (who, to digress for a second, kept using the word "apropos" whenever he interjected himself into conversation; "Apropos to that point...". It was as if he was a kid who just learned that word. I found that funny.) talked about doing an adaptation of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle. The process of reducing the text down to what you need to say, and what words need to be there, was instructive to him, because it forced him to stop himself and say, "this is a forum that should take advantage of what the image can do"; he said whenever he could he tried to have the artwork do all the heavy lifting, with the text doing as little as possible in order to convey the story.
These were all fun anecdotes, and it was incredibly fascinating to look at the process of the creator, but it took an academic to put the panel in perspective. "It seems we're having two different conversations", Bill Savage interjected. "One about teaching comics as creative writing, versus the concept of comics being used as a subject to be taught and studied."
Earlier in the introductions someone mentioned the term "graphic novel" which received universal scorn (including some by this blog's author). Savage opined that the reason why the graphic novel label doesn't bother him is because comics needed that kind of gesture toward respectability. The novel, after all, was at one point an illegitimate genre that wasn't taught at universities either, but has come over time to be the dominant literary form in our culture. "When Eisner coined that term," he said, "he knew exactly what he was doing."
Bill's approach to teaching comics is twofold. First, what has done while teaching comics is to never put a class together that was "just comics", because it turned into a niche course students took to have fun, which wouldn't have any real academic merit and, as Savage said, "would get me fired"; thus, he picks his battles carefully.
"There are some faculty members that will never admit that comics are a worthy subject of study and.... fuck 'em. I won't even engage them in conversation about it, because I know, ok, Shakespeare's better. Whatever." This point is of course valid. There's something to be said about just ignoring those who are too ignorant to even listen to you. Though I wonder what the harm could be in engaging in conversation? At best you might change someone's mind, or get a non-comics fan to at least start thinking about comics in a critical way rather than being dismissive. At worst, well, they still hate comics. As long as you don't get too worked up about it no harm done (though I suspect the frustration of having a person ignore your points completely might be a bit overwhelming.)
Second, he tries to integrate comics into courses he teaches based on subject matter (100 Bullets in a course on crime fiction, The Golem's Mighty Swing in a course on baseball) in order to make some change toward teaching comics. And he says it has worked. A lot of his peers have begun to teach books like Maus, which besides being a useful text for a class on WWII and the Holocaust, helped bring comics toward respectability by taking on such incredibly serious subject matter in an art form that was considered unrespectable. Now he has students that write Masters Theses on comics. Academic respectability is on a certain level a matter of "just doing it".
Haspiel was shocked at the notion that there were some people who just didn't like comics, which was surprising me because I feel that the only people I meet on a day to day basis are those that don't appreciate the form. "I don't understand, everyone likes comics. I've never met someone who doesn't like comics. Even if they don't read comics, give them one and they will like it."
"What's that quote about Frank Sinatra, not trusting anyone who doesn't drink? I don't trust anyone who doesn't like comics."
However, Kent Worcester had a tale to illustrate Savage's point. He was asked to teach a course on comics, and requested permission from his Department Chair, who agreed. At the end of the semester she went up to him and said "You will never teach that class again!" This led Savage to talk about the generation of people who were brought up to believe comics were inherently juvenile, and how these people will eventually be "aged out". This idea is one that I've reflected upon often; that no matter the opinion of the older generations, and whether it can be changed or not, it doesn't really matter. They'll be gone and change will come. This applies to many ideas, whether it be racism and sexism, or film and television. The irony, as the panel pointed out, is that those who are against teaching comics-- again, generally the older generations-- should be the people most open to historical argumentation. Courses taught in English, courses about American literature, even TV's in the classroom-- these are all things taken for granted now which for a long time were unthinkable. Unfortunately this group is generally the hardest to convince, and thus Savage's point is reiterated: "just do it". Just teach the subject matter, get the ball rolling.
One big step, according to Greg Urquhart, is the trend of traditional novel writers who are comic fans, i.e. Chabon and Lethem, who have this sort of academic pull, and help legitimize the medium (it was here that Savage chimed in, talking about how E.E. Cummings and Ernest Hemingway loved Krazy Kat!) For a professor to see a creator in a genre that they can relate to embrace comics gets the point across of, "hey! Maybe these aren't just kid stuff."
On the other side of the token, there are still things that continue to hamper the progress of the medium into academic acceptance. One example given by Kannenberg is the niching of the comic book as "superhero stuff". Movies can say anything they want, can tell any kind of story, but when people think about comics they think superheroes. Comics aren't thought to encapsulate other genres. His dissertation was on comics, but before he could present it his proposal had to be passed. When he got to the panel he brought in a bunch of comics and passed them around, and the professors could not understand them; the way the panels were layed out, how to pace them, whatever it was-- it was too difficult. Thus, according to Kannenberg, what needs to be done is to let "the scales fall from their eyes"; its not so much that it needs to be academically accepted per se, but they need to know smart graphic literature is out there.
Continuing on this point, Worcester spoke about the difference between simplification and encapsulation. When he worked on the symposium on the editorial cartoon half of their submissions talked about how the work they were discussing "simplified reality". The problem there is that comics generally do not simplify reality, but often are very conceptual and can reach you in different ways. Haspiel chimed in, agreeing that conveying your point in comics is decidedly UN-simple, which brought him back to his point of the incredible amount of choices you can make in order to convey one idea in a multitude of ways.
After a while Green opened the floor to questions.
The first question was one I had considered throughout the panel: with all the talk of teaching comics, is there a fear that some professors teaching comics can be doing it a disservice; that is, teaching them incorrectly? Is there some kind of personal responsibility?
"First of all," Savage began, "just because a subject is taught doesn't mean it's going to be taught well. Secondly, better taught poorly than not taught at all." Urquhart added to this: "The trend is too strong for one instance to kill a whole movement. It might happen on one campus, but even there, after some time, it takes just one faculty member to champion it again."
Its been said kids experience reading and art differently than adults. Are there specific differences you've seen?
Kuper saw it as an important element to current acceptance. Kids who grow up reading comics have a special kind of literacy. Visual literacy is an element that turns a lot of people off to comics, because there's too much information that hits them. The new culture is so visual. In the past art schools wouldn't have comics; in fact they were discouraged. Now they have to teach comics, because its about sequential thinking. If you don't help them with that you create an ill-equipped student.
But it also teaches juxtaposition. Kannenberg made the point that thirty years ago TV, for example, was very linear. Continuing Kuper's point, nowadays there's so much coming at you at once and that's something which is great about comics. You can read it straight through quickly, of course, but you can't JUST do that, because you have to slow down to really see what's there and understand how the parts work together.
How do the creators on the panel approach the process of creating?
Haspiel started approaching writing from going to film school. He would add so much information to his scripts that it was overwhelming, even for himself. Eventually he started laying out narrative visually before even worrying about what the words were going to be. Echoing Kuper's earlier sentiments, its a very visual medium, clearly, and words are there to support whatever isn't being said in the visual, as well as adding another narrative aspect to the visual experience. You show the story first, and everything else is a compliment.
The person who asked the question referred to Peter as a mostly wordless creator. But contrary to that he says while he likes doing wordless comics, he doesn't tie himself down to that, because the form is so vast that you can do wordless comics, journalism, adaptation... so many different facets, that there are so many ways to tell a story. Anything is possible. You can be as serious or as silly as you want to be.
One person commented that when he teaches comics he uses them as a pedagogical tool. For example, he makes his students read Watchmen, which in turn prepares them to read Plato; it teaches them the way they SHOULD read. Comics can teach you how to see the world in different ways, yet its really easily accessible to a lot of people. This was an interesting point to me, because first it implies that the way one reads comics is the "correct" way to read. If this statement is true its a pretty big step in the right direction for comics as far as academic acceptance, though I suspect its a bit of a stretch. Secondly, it presupposes that comics are so accessible, yet I'm not completely sure that's the case either. Just the idea of it as niche culture, as it is in our society today, creates a sort of inaccessibility that the average person may find frightening.
Leigh Walton was actually sitting in front of me at the panel (who, along with Laura Hudson, writes the incredibly interesting Cereblog), and asked about the critical discourse of comics studies as it grows, where its happening, and if we've figured out how to read comics?
I don't know that the panelists specifically answered these questions, but it brought up some interesting discussion. Worcester began by saying that teaching comics involves teaching some amount of specialized vocabulary. Art students probably get it better than history or lit students, sure, but even there certain things need to be taught. So ultimately no one has a real expertise on the matter, which is one of the reasons why its so exciting.
Savage said one of the most significant moments in the movement of comics into general mainstream acceptability was when the New York Times book review stopped having the rhetorical gesture of talking about Graphic Novels with an intro paragraph explaining why comics can be serious. Now they've gotten passed making excuses, and even have op-eds that are cartoons, as well as adding a reviewer who every few weeks ONLY reviews graphic novels. That's how it becomes part of mainstream culture.
Urquhart began his point with a quote he'd once heard: "If an artist paints something you don't understand its because you're ignorant; if a comics artist creates something you don't understand its because the creator's ignorant." However, that's now shifting. Its become more of the argument, as Savage says, of "is this one thing any good" as opposed to "is that kind of thing any good." Urquhart goes on to talk about giving a copy of Owly to his daughter who is learning how to read. She struggled much more with the wordless Owly than with other books, but at the same time it affected her more deeply. It really drove home the literacy involved.
I left this panel, thoughts swimming through my head, points and counterpoints rattling around causing a commotion. I guess at the end of the day it gave me a feeling of hope. With all of these intelligent people sitting in front of us giving insight into the world of academia in conjunction with comics culture, it made me realize that there probably is room for intelligent discussion about comics in a world full of scorn for the medium, and that maybe that scorn isn't so hard to flip on its head. I know that just by writing this blog I've had people email me telling me that they don't read comics but that they liked the idea of discourse in comics. And so this panel most of all showed me that it isn't ridiculous to care. To care about comics' future, and to care about how its looked at. Sure I hate the term "Graphic Novel", but maybe Savage is right; maybe Eisner did know exactly what he was doing when he coined the term, and instead of being such a snob about it I should, if not embrace it, accept it as a method to getting people to accept the medium. I've said before that I think the term over-legitimizes something that doesn't need legitimacy, but perhaps that's just not true. Perhaps I've just been content with that small niche role. But as I said: this panel has certainly made me think differently about a lot of what I had accepted as true in the comics world.
I'd like to finish this the way Karen did, with one final question, inspired by Art Spiegelman. Spiegelman, in a keynote entitled Comics Marching into the Canon, mentioned his comics "canon". There's also been a "canon" in literature for a number of years, which has been exploded in the last 15 years or so. The question is, what's the usefulness of having one?
Haspiel seemed to think it was for dialogue only. Savage agreed, but said you can't open up a canon before you build it first. You create a list of artists who fit the definition-- his definition explains canon as those books where if you call yourself educated you either have read, feel guilty about not having read, or can fake having read. You need that for comics. Something where if you see someone at a party you can talk about having read Maus, Jimmy Corrigan, etc. That needs to be built first, and once it is, then you can start breaking it open, so to speak; "hey, I know plenty of stuff that's WAY better!"
"Yeah, it's all just dialogue," Haspiel concluded. "It's just used for discussion. And maybe through that you might learn something cool, or different."
Green used this prompt as the perfect ending to a perfect panel: "And that," she said, "is education."
Friday, February 13, 2009
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14 comments:
Fantastic rumination, Paul! Now you've forced me to up my game when I write it about the panel for next month's column, darn it.
Thanks so much!
Paul
Thanks for this brilliant summary--I'll send it to my boss to show that I wasn't at Comic-con just to check out the costume contests.
Bill
TLDR.
Seriously dude. You have a LOT to say about comics.
I miss you and I love you now come home.
xom
Wow, great write up! We launched our discussion groups at comiXology last week, and Karen has been kind enough to create a comics and education group for us.
The discussion continues!
haha yeah M, I guess I kinda went crazy there. I've been trying to figure out how to create jumps, but so far every time I try I end up just erasing all of my entries.
Karen and Bill, thanks for the kind words, and the great panel!
I've got an interesting exercise for you for a future post: come up with your own comics canon fitting Savage's definition.
Man, this is good stuff. Wish I'd realized you were there, would've loved to have gotten a chance to shake your hand.
Ben: I was actually thinking of coming up with my own canon definition and posting it, but that's a good idea as well.
However, going by Savage's definition I'd probably start with Maus, Watchmen, Black Hole, and A Contract With God.
Tucker: Thanks for the kind words. Yeah man I read your post on comiXology, I didn't know you were there. Would have liked to have said hi. I love the Factual Opinion.
Great wrapup, Paul.
I fully agree with Bill's philosophy of "just do the work." If we all waited for permission or approval, revolutions would never happen!
Plus, there's clearly a groundswell here. This many clever people thinking about comics, and more joining all the time? Baby, we've only just begun!
As an EFL/ESL teacher in Taiwan, I would love use comics in my classes. Imagine studying English by way of "Y the Last Man" or whatnot. Unfortunately the trades are expensive to buy here (students do not have so much disposable income), and the fact that most of them are in color makes them difficult to photocopy cheaply. The worst outcome would be for them to just pass around "Cliff's Notes" versions copied from Wikipedia.
Also, there is the problem of selecting content. Superheroes (the major type of English-language book) are known, though mainly through their movies, but not nearly as popular as "cute" characters like Doraemon or Hello Kitty. "Watchmen" would go completely over their heads. They could probably relate to Archie, but that's just not highfallutin enough for a literature class. And as for "Maus," one day I discovered to my horror that most of my students had no idea when World War II was. (They just looked it up on their electronic dictionaries, then told me whatever their dictionaries said.)
I've been lobbying to have our library build up a collection, though. Students never read the foreign-language academic tomes we stock the shelves with, but comics might have a chance, if they would put them out front.
Anonymous: If its true what you said about WWII, reading Maus might be a great way to not only teach a second language but also add an additional layer of subject matter on top of it. That's me assuming these are older kids or adults; it might be a little heavy for younger children.
Paul,
I think the constant dialectic that comes with comics, and all that's come to represent, is the push for respectability against embracing and adhering to the already established conventions of the medium. I'm not implying that these ideas are inherently opposed or contradictory but a conversation that’s stuck with me was hearing Gilbert Hernandez speak on a panel with a topic not far from what you’ve described here. He seemed to take a much more laid back approach then some of the younger artists who seem anxious to try and find a voice of legitimacy from academia or more 'legit' literary circles. While I myself can't relate fully to that impulse, I can understand and recognize where it comes from and how it might seem necessary. But there wisdom in Hernandez's more temperate approach in accepting comics from what they are, without an incessant need to gain the credibility of those more routine mediums/modes of expression, which comes from the same vitriolic disdain that comes whenever the phrase graphic novel is used. But what do we gain from it, in the end? People will be turned on to great works of art that they might not have already been exposed to but how much farther can we go from here? Do we really want to mimic the dying world of ‘established’ literature? Hasn’t this distinction in some respects helped comics? Think of all the great, subversive work we might have missed out on if comics received mainstream legitimacy. Granted, Hernandez might not feel that same pressure to exert himself like this since his work is already well-established/revered but I think those ideas have validity.
I think why it's so difficult for me to tackle this subject is because I don't think it’s so crazy, as an 'educator' or otherwise, to incorporate comics into academia or education. I use the word educator loosely since I've only taught two courses my entire life but it’s worth noting that I used "Action Philosophers" during one of them. For me, it seemed so natural and while some students chuckled a bit, most students found it as a great addition to the rather dry material. In a recent seminar course, I did a research presentation on the use of graphic novels to tackle multicultural and LGBT issues in the classroom, which utilized Fun Home and The Magical Life of Long Tack Sam. I think I wrote that presentation from the same perspective as this panel, with a need to prove to that these pieces of work could sit alongside more traditional fare. But by gauging by the reactions of my fellow students (who were mostly teachers themselves), the idea of incorporating manga and comics into the curriculum seems intuitive and most were clamoring to get more information on what to read/teach. To reiterate what your point Paul, I feel like a lot of the heavy lifting has been done by someone like Spiegelman and these presenters because I do believe that when our generation is put in the position of power, these prejudices will simply not exist to the extent they have in the past and for that I’m grateful. But I think we need to approach this topic as less novel in order to exert the truth that we’ve known all along: comics encompass the same brilliance and complexity of any other medium.
Matt: While I think its fantastic that your own personal teaching experiences with comics have been a non-issue I don't necessarily think that's the norm. I'm not sure where you've taught but I went to a pretty average liberal arts college and I know for a fact it was frowned upon in the curriculum.
Regarding your original point, I'm not sure this dialectic you speak of actually exists, or if it is, not in the argument of comics and academic acceptance. Do we want to mimic the "dying world of 'established' literature"? Well, yes, I think so, at least as far as it being taught seriously in an academic environment. To keep that distinction you speak of doesn't help comics get beyond the proverbial glass ceiling that is inevitably hit when a genre or medium is stuck in a niche culture. Subversive comics wouldn't necessarily be hurt by academic acceptance; as a matter of fact the more accepted something is the more subversive the counter-culture within becomes. Look at dadaism, punk rock music, and no-wave cinema, all of which were very reactionary. Its unreasonable to believe comics will become, as your comment implies, "boring" because of its acceptance. Surely, being indoctrinated into the world of academia will have people thinking about comics in ways they never have before, and there's nothing more stimulating than intelligent discussion, is there? (Its what I try to establish on my blog, hopefully with some success.)
Ultimately (and perhaps unfortunately) it is a novel idea, which is the reason for the panel in the first place. But you're right in saying it needs to not be treated as such, which is what I think you've done in your courses, and what Bill's point was by saying "just teach it".
Tits
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